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]]> By: Quiethttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-18325 Quiet Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:32:12 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-18325 Dear JH,You know as well as the next man that science is often used to destroy the myths needed to attain a higher ideal. There is a lot of truth in your claims but they sound more like an excuse to me. I read today: everybody wants to change the world, but nobody wants to change. You are avoiding responsibility by getting stuck in the details and narrowing the context of the matter.This example of your best demonstrates my point: "quote:How are the trees that paper companies replant of “dismal ecological richness” compared to that of existing plantlife? " Are you serious? A forest is more than a collection of trees.Trees may grow back in a certain amount of time, but for a forest ecosystem to restore itself, much more time is needed.We could go on for days, months or longer about petty details but I would rather spend my time considering actual changes in my consumption to rule out more of my ecological impact. Humans are the largest polluters. So: yes, we need the myths. Dear JH,

You know as well as the next man that science is often used to destroy the myths needed to attain a higher ideal. There is a lot of truth in your claims but they sound more like an excuse to me. I read today: everybody wants to change the world, but nobody wants to change. You are avoiding responsibility by getting stuck in the details and narrowing the context of the matter.

This example of your best demonstrates my point: “quote:How are the trees that paper companies replant of “dismal ecological richness” compared to that of existing plantlife? ” Are you serious? A forest is more than a collection of trees.

Trees may grow back in a certain amount of time, but for a forest ecosystem to restore itself, much more time is needed.

We could go on for days, months or longer about petty details but I would rather spend my time considering actual changes in my consumption to rule out more of my ecological impact. Humans are the largest polluters. So: yes, we need the myths.

]]> By: JHhttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11991 JH Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:43:51 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11991 While all your intentions are certainly benevolent, I believe some of your fears about paper usage are irrational and misinformed. Example: <br /><br /> "i think that cutting down trees is bringing down forests and i think if everybody recycled we would have more trees and a beautiful community. so everyone please recycle." » naquay at April 16, 2008 9:39 AM <br /><br /> Intuition and feeling have never proven to trump science. While this person is clearly concerned about the sustainability and beauty of the planet, emotional judgments rarely accurately predict how the world works. Use of EMPIRICAL evidence is the only way one could make such a seemingly definitive conclusion about actions such as deforestation. <br /><br /> Just because trees are being "killed" in the manufacturing of paper doesn't mean that the ecosystem, environment, or well-being of the earth is being destroyed. To understand how using trees for materials affects our world you must analyze the net effect of their usage, not the immediate effect of there being less trees. <br /><br /> Responding to some comments from above; <br /><br /> "what paper companies replant is generally of dismal ecological richness compared to what we removed." <br /> » Tale Beppset at February 2, 2008 11:25 AM <br /><br /> How are the trees that paper companies replant of "dismal ecological richness" compared to that of existing plantlife? Are human-planted trees less ecologically superior than those naturally planted by nature? I do not see the logic in this statement, however as I am not an ecologist or dendrologist, I would appreciate being corrected if I am wrong. <br /><br /> Also, <br /><br /> "...tropical forests are disappearing at an alarming rate and we definitely have a lot less of those than 100 years ago." » Tale Beppset at February 2, 2008 11:25 AM <br /><br /> The paper we use is NOT made from the trees of tropical rainforests; thus I hardly see how the the fact of tropical deforestation is relevant as to why we should use less paper. <br /><br /> Do not use irrelevant facts and emotional arguments to sway people into believing a point. If an argument is true, then facts and statistics relating to it will clearly show it as such. <br /><br /> Please read this article to shed some light on paper myths and facts: <br />http://www.unisourcegreen.com/pdf/TruthinPaper.pdf <br /><br /> Hope I have positively contributed to this conversation! <br /><br /> -JH While all your intentions are certainly benevolent, I believe some of your fears about paper usage are irrational and misinformed. Example:

“i think that cutting down trees is bringing down forests and i think if everybody recycled we would have more trees and a beautiful community. so everyone please recycle.”
» naquay at April 16, 2008 9:39 AM

Intuition and feeling have never proven to trump science. While this person is clearly concerned about the sustainability and beauty of the planet, emotional judgments rarely accurately predict how the world works. Use of EMPIRICAL evidence is the only way one could make such a seemingly definitive conclusion about actions such as deforestation.

Just because trees are being “killed” in the manufacturing of paper doesn’t mean that the ecosystem, environment, or well-being of the earth is being destroyed. To understand how using trees for materials affects our world you must analyze the net effect of their usage, not the immediate effect of there being less trees.

Responding to some comments from above;

“what paper companies replant is generally of dismal ecological richness compared to what we removed.”
» Tale Beppset at February 2, 2008 11:25 AM

How are the trees that paper companies replant of “dismal ecological richness” compared to that of existing plantlife? Are human-planted trees less ecologically superior than those naturally planted by nature? I do not see the logic in this statement, however as I am not an ecologist or dendrologist, I would appreciate being corrected if I am wrong.

Also,

“…tropical forests are disappearing at an alarming rate and we definitely have a lot less of those than 100 years ago.”
» Tale Beppset at February 2, 2008 11:25 AM

The paper we use is NOT made from the trees of tropical rainforests; thus
I hardly see how the the fact of tropical deforestation is relevant as to why we should use less paper.

Do not use irrelevant facts and emotional arguments to sway people into believing a point. If an argument is true, then facts and statistics relating to it will clearly show it as such.

Please read this article to shed some light on paper myths and facts:
http://www.unisourcegreen.com/pdf/TruthinPaper.pdf

Hope I have positively contributed to this conversation!

-JH

]]> By: Patricia Teelhttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11990 Patricia Teel Thu, 07 May 2009 22:44:53 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11990 This is garbage. Paper is made from the scraps of trees that have been cut down to make boards for building homes, other buildings, furniture, for clearing land for the homes or clearing land for agriculture. Old growth forests are NOT cut down to make paper. If you want to save trees, don't have any children. This is garbage. Paper is made from the scraps of trees that have been cut down to make boards for building homes, other buildings, furniture, for clearing land for the homes or clearing land for agriculture. Old growth forests are NOT cut down to make paper. If you want to save trees, don’t have any children.

]]> By: Alain Vezinahttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11989 Alain Vezina Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:22:48 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11989 Hi Everyone I'm a software developer here in Canada. I wake up this morning and I had the same question "How many trees do I kill each year?" To answer that I start to write an desktop application that hocked up to the my printer. Each time, I print, my new application cumulate statistic on my paper use. It alert me on my killing performance. I hope to install my app other desktop in my office. Maybe that will help to reduce our paper use Alain Hi Everyone
I’m a software developer here in Canada. I wake up this morning and I had the same question “How many trees do I kill each year?”
To answer that I start to write an desktop application that hocked up to the my printer. Each time, I print, my new application cumulate statistic on my paper use. It alert me on my killing performance. I hope to install my app other desktop in my office.
Maybe that will help to reduce our paper use
Alain

]]> By: Stephaniehttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11988 Stephanie Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:53:41 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11988 I live in a small rural community, and have my whole life. As a child, there were several Christmas tree farms covering hundreds of acres. With the popularity of fake trees, it did not save those real trees. Instead, two of the large farms are now residential developments with almost NO trees. My only concern is that by using ALL post-consumer paper, managed tree farms for paper will go the way of Christmas tree farms, and the number of overall trees on the planet will again decline. I live in a small rural community, and have my whole life. As a child, there were several Christmas tree farms covering hundreds of acres. With the popularity of fake trees, it did not save those real trees. Instead, two of the large farms are now residential developments with almost NO trees. My only concern is that by using ALL post-consumer paper, managed tree farms for paper will go the way of Christmas tree farms, and the number of overall trees on the planet will again decline.

]]> By: Melanie Hetfieldhttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11987 Melanie Hetfield Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:22:41 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11987 Just the information I was looking for. We are about to relase our quartely eZine GreenVyouz and have 1200 members ready to accept our unique online magazine. I was wondering how many trees it would take if our eZine was in paper form. I'm so glad that it's not. If in paper form we would use up 288 reams of paper for one issue. To get your copy go to http://www.greenvyouz.com/ The more people we encourage to live an Eco Life, the better off our planet will be. Just the information I was looking for. We are about to relase our quartely eZine GreenVyouz and have 1200 members ready to accept our unique online magazine. I was wondering how many trees it would take if our eZine was in paper form. I’m so glad that it’s not. If in paper form we would use up 288 reams of paper for one issue.
To get your copy go to http://www.greenvyouz.com/
The more people we encourage to live an Eco Life, the better off our planet will be.

]]> By: Melanie Hetfieldhttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11986 Melanie Hetfield Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:22:30 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11986 Just the information I was looking for. We are about to relase our quartely eZine GreenVyouz and have 1200 members ready to accept our unique online magazine. I was wondering how many trees it would take if our eZine was in paper form. I'm so glad that it's not. If in paper form we would use up 288 reams of paper for one issue. To get your copy go to http://www.greenvyouz.com/ The more people we encourage to live an Eco Life, the better off our planet will be. Just the information I was looking for. We are about to relase our quartely eZine GreenVyouz and have 1200 members ready to accept our unique online magazine. I was wondering how many trees it would take if our eZine was in paper form. I’m so glad that it’s not. If in paper form we would use up 288 reams of paper for one issue.
To get your copy go to http://www.greenvyouz.com/
The more people we encourage to live an Eco Life, the better off our planet will be.

]]> By: John Koudelahttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11985 John Koudela Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:34:54 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11985 This reply to how many trees are used fails to recognize that for all those trees taken, all of them are replanted. Paper sources are renewable - thus technically there isn't any truly gone trees. I used to work for Weyerhaeuser - one of the largest paper companies. This reply to how many trees are used fails to recognize that for all those trees taken, all of them are replanted. Paper sources are renewable – thus technically there isn’t any truly gone trees. I used to work for Weyerhaeuser – one of the largest paper companies.

]]> By: naquayhttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11984 naquay Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:39:19 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11984 i think that cutting down trees is bringing down forests and i think if everybody recycled we would have more trees and a beautiful community. so everyone please recycle. i think that cutting down trees is bringing down forests and i think if everybody recycled we would have more trees and a beautiful community. so everyone please recycle.

]]> By: naquayhttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11983 naquay Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:39:17 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11983 i think that cutting down trees is bringing down forests and i think if everybody recycled we would have more trees and a beautiful community. so everyone please recycle. i think that cutting down trees is bringing down forests and i think if everybody recycled we would have more trees and a beautiful community. so everyone please recycle.

]]> By: Mikehttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11982 Mike Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:55:06 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11982 Instead of killing trees why dont we grow hemp? An acre of hemp can produce 4 times the amount of paper that an acre of trees can. Plus the hemp can be replanted the next year for another run. With trees you have to wait 10 years or so. If these slimey politicians would allow us to grow a plant that God put here for us to use, we wouldnt have to worry about trees. Instead of killing trees why dont we grow hemp? An acre of hemp can produce 4 times the amount of paper that an acre of trees can. Plus the hemp can be replanted the next year for another run. With trees you have to wait 10 years or so.
If these slimey politicians would allow us to grow a plant that God put here for us to use, we wouldnt have to worry about trees.

]]> By: Ronhttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11981 Ron Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:02:05 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11981 Where does toilet paper go after it is flushed? Does it not go to sewage treatment plants? Then does it not create sludge that has to be removed from the tanks and disposed of which in turn creates further environmental damage? So, you cannot say that toilet paper is not harming the planet or are my facts incorrect? Where does toilet paper go after it is flushed? Does it not go to sewage treatment plants? Then does it not create sludge that has to be removed from the tanks and disposed of which in turn creates further environmental damage? So, you cannot say that toilet paper is not harming the planet or are my facts incorrect?

]]> By: Tale Beppsethttp://www.triplepundit.com/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/comment-page-1/#comment-11980 Tale Beppset Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:25:21 +0000 http://www.triplepundit.com/wordpress/2007/10/askpablo-how-many-trees-does-my-office-kill/#comment-11980 Jerry - 1) On the east coast of the US there may be more trees than 100 years ago. However, what paper companies replant is generally of dismal ecological richness compared to what we removed. This is why cutting the last of our old growth forests is such a bad idea. Also, tropical forests are disappearing at an alarming rate and we definitely have a lot less of those than 100 years ago. 2) Toilet paper can be made out of sustainably harvested tree farms, it's also not a major contributor to deforestation so no big deal there 3) Harming the planet? No, the planet will be fine. We are seriously harming most ecosystems, however, at our peril. And yes, global warming is part of it, this time very much caused by us! Jerry -
1) On the east coast of the US there may be more trees than 100 years ago. However, what paper companies replant is generally of dismal ecological richness compared to what we removed. This is why cutting the last of our old growth forests is such a bad idea. Also, tropical forests are disappearing at an alarming rate and we definitely have a lot less of those than 100 years ago.
2) Toilet paper can be made out of sustainably harvested tree farms, it’s also not a major contributor to deforestation so no big deal there
3) Harming the planet? No, the planet will be fine. We are seriously harming most ecosystems, however, at our peril. And yes, global warming is part of it, this time very much caused by us!

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