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> <channel><title>Comments on: Green Is Dead, Long Live Green</title> <atom:link href="http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/</link> <description>Business, Better. Since 2005</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:15:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Talk the Green Talk &#124; HomeIntel</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/comment-page-1/#comment-23547</link> <dc:creator>Talk the Green Talk &#124; HomeIntel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:59:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=9475#comment-23547</guid> <description>[...] credibility, the words and labels also decrease in their impact and value when they are misused. This article on TriplePundit.com explains that the green vocabulary we coined from the beginning might be due [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] credibility, the words and labels also decrease in their impact and value when they are misused. This article on TriplePundit.com explains that the green vocabulary we coined from the beginning might be due [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Lindley</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/comment-page-1/#comment-14945</link> <dc:creator>Chris Lindley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:52:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=9475#comment-14945</guid> <description>I agree with Tom Larsen and Padosa. If the author is in the clean, green, carbon, sustainability etc etc arena (like myself) then it&#039;s easy to think the world is saturated with these terms.This arena affects every industry and every demographic on some level. Yes, terms like Resource-sensitive and low-impact development but is going to make things any clearer for the masses? What isn’t resource sensitive these days? And what’s the difference between what you try to achieve with low-impact development as opposed to sustainable development?And a price on carbon doesn&#039;t mean &quot;going green becomes no longer exceptional”. Companies will only have to pay over and above a set cap on their emissions. We&#039;re not talking about carbon neutrality here. And if &quot;everyone&quot; is at least doing what they have to comply there’s still plenty of room excel and stand out. And as the consumer gets more savvy the stakes will become higher.If sustainable development is &quot;intellectually bankrupt and should be abandoned&quot; what&#039;s the alternative? Stick our heads in the proverbial sand and carry on our merry way?We’re only now beginning this journey! Huge global movements take time and effort. If the corporates are reducing energy here and water there and sourcing leather from none amazonian suppliers etc etc THEN GOOD!Sure we&#039;re not going to stop the inevitable now. We never had a chance anyway. But when Mother Nature finally decides to scratch her itch (any bets for 2012/13 anyone? :-) ) at least we&#039;ll be part way down the path as opposed to not at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tom Larsen and Padosa. If the author is in the clean, green, carbon, sustainability etc etc arena (like myself) then it&#8217;s easy to think the world is saturated with these terms.</p><p>This arena affects every industry and every demographic on some level. Yes, terms like Resource-sensitive and low-impact development but is going to make things any clearer for the masses? What isn’t resource sensitive these days? And what’s the difference between what you try to achieve with low-impact development as opposed to sustainable development?</p><p>And a price on carbon doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;going green becomes no longer exceptional”. Companies will only have to pay over and above a set cap on their emissions. We&#8217;re not talking about carbon neutrality here. And if &#8220;everyone&#8221; is at least doing what they have to comply there’s still plenty of room excel and stand out. And as the consumer gets more savvy the stakes will become higher.</p><p>If sustainable development is &#8220;intellectually bankrupt and should be abandoned&#8221; what&#8217;s the alternative? Stick our heads in the proverbial sand and carry on our merry way?</p><p>We’re only now beginning this journey! Huge global movements take time and effort. If the corporates are reducing energy here and water there and sourcing leather from none amazonian suppliers etc etc THEN GOOD!</p><p>Sure we&#8217;re not going to stop the inevitable now. We never had a chance anyway. But when Mother Nature finally decides to scratch her itch (any bets for 2012/13 anyone? :-) ) at least we&#8217;ll be part way down the path as opposed to not at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/comment-page-1/#comment-14944</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:37:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=9475#comment-14944</guid> <description>I couldn&#039;t agree more.  To suggest that the terms we use are now of importance is to completely miss the point.  Society is so far away from being &#039;sustainable&#039; that to even vaguely worry about the term itself seems odd to say the least.The one important fact to recognise is that the meeting of any government legislation is just another way of being &#039;as bad as the law will allow you to be&#039;.  This is not what the sustainability movement is about - it is about best practice, continuous improvement and as such, will never be &#039;achieved&#039; only ever strived for.As for suggesting the entire movement is now out of the realms of &#039;marketing&#039; is strange.  If it&#039;s about continuous improvement, then someone, somewhere is doing more to lower their impact than anyone else, so why wouldn&#039;t they market the fact - it&#039;s leading by example.As to the language used by corporates relating to corporate sustainability, guidelines such as the GRI (Global Reporting Initiative) and the AA1000 give good guidance on what is acceptable and what is not.  I think the more important thing to look for is independent verification of claims made.Having that said, I actually don&#039;t even see much in the way of &#039;green-washing&#039; anymore - I think corporates have become wise to the negative reputational risk they run by going anywhere near it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  To suggest that the terms we use are now of importance is to completely miss the point.  Society is so far away from being &#8216;sustainable&#8217; that to even vaguely worry about the term itself seems odd to say the least.</p><p>The one important fact to recognise is that the meeting of any government legislation is just another way of being &#8216;as bad as the law will allow you to be&#8217;.  This is not what the sustainability movement is about &#8211; it is about best practice, continuous improvement and as such, will never be &#8216;achieved&#8217; only ever strived for.</p><p>As for suggesting the entire movement is now out of the realms of &#8216;marketing&#8217; is strange.  If it&#8217;s about continuous improvement, then someone, somewhere is doing more to lower their impact than anyone else, so why wouldn&#8217;t they market the fact &#8211; it&#8217;s leading by example.</p><p>As to the language used by corporates relating to corporate sustainability, guidelines such as the GRI (Global Reporting Initiative) and the AA1000 give good guidance on what is acceptable and what is not.  I think the more important thing to look for is independent verification of claims made.</p><p>Having that said, I actually don&#8217;t even see much in the way of &#8216;green-washing&#8217; anymore &#8211; I think corporates have become wise to the negative reputational risk they run by going anywhere near it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Padosa</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/comment-page-1/#comment-14940</link> <dc:creator>Padosa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=9475#comment-14940</guid> <description>Yes, language changes, fragments, even decays, but it&#039;s important to be as wary of our own oblique terms as we are about the ever-changing meanings of the simpler vaguer ones we use (e.g. &quot;green&quot;). Maybe if we place less emphasis on buzzwords and used more energy to describe individual efforts, the language we use to describe this movement—and thus, the movement itself—would have more staying power. The human urge to categorize everything under simple, catchy headings can be as damaging as it is seemingly helpful.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, language changes, fragments, even decays, but it&#8217;s important to be as wary of our own oblique terms as we are about the ever-changing meanings of the simpler vaguer ones we use (e.g. &#8220;green&#8221;). Maybe if we place less emphasis on buzzwords and used more energy to describe individual efforts, the language we use to describe this movement—and thus, the movement itself—would have more staying power. The human urge to categorize everything under simple, catchy headings can be as damaging as it is seemingly helpful.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ashwin Seshagiri</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/comment-page-1/#comment-14934</link> <dc:creator>Ashwin Seshagiri</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:30:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=9475#comment-14934</guid> <description>What a poignant line from the article: &quot;I’m not sure the term &#039;Green&#039; does more than add another cool-sounding, but largely meaningless term to the existing lexicon of self-indulgence.&quot;This really fits in line with a lot of people—like Yvon Chouinard and the heaps of others—that say that terms like this are lacking-in-meaning neologisms, capable of distracting all of us from what ultimately should matter.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a poignant line from the article: &#8220;I’m not sure the term &#8216;Green&#8217; does more than add another cool-sounding, but largely meaningless term to the existing lexicon of self-indulgence.&#8221;</p><p>This really fits in line with a lot of people—like Yvon Chouinard and the heaps of others—that say that terms like this are lacking-in-meaning neologisms, capable of distracting all of us from what ultimately should matter.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: &#8216;Green&#8217; A Best-Seller, But at What Cost? &#183; Environmental Leader &#183; Green Business, Sustainable Business, and Green Strategy News for Corporate Sustainability Executives</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/comment-page-1/#comment-14932</link> <dc:creator>&#8216;Green&#8217; A Best-Seller, But at What Cost? &#183; Environmental Leader &#183; Green Business, Sustainable Business, and Green Strategy News for Corporate Sustainability Executives</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:12:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=9475#comment-14932</guid> <description>[...] a blog post entitled &#8220;Green is Dead, Long Live Green,&#8221; The Triple Pundit argues that society is entering a &#8220;post-green, [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a blog post entitled &#8220;Green is Dead, Long Live Green,&#8221; The Triple Pundit argues that society is entering a &#8220;post-green, [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom Larsen</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/comment-page-1/#comment-14931</link> <dc:creator>Tom Larsen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:04:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=9475#comment-14931</guid> <description>If you believe that the American consumer has adopted the concept of &quot;green&quot; then it is time to advance to a higher level thought process.
At present, however, cities across America do not even recycle, let alone a whole host of other forward moving eco-progress actions, so in my view, giving up on the &quot;brand&quot; equity in the term green would risk losing all those who have yet to even reach the primary school level on the concept, which is he majority of the population.
If the U.S. struggles with healthcare consensus, and the term is pretty specific and personal, how much longer will it take to build a collective consensus on the overall benefit of &quot;green&quot;?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe that the American consumer has adopted the concept of &#8220;green&#8221; then it is time to advance to a higher level thought process.<br
/> At present, however, cities across America do not even recycle, let alone a whole host of other forward moving eco-progress actions, so in my view, giving up on the &#8220;brand&#8221; equity in the term green would risk losing all those who have yet to even reach the primary school level on the concept, which is he majority of the population.<br
/> If the U.S. struggles with healthcare consensus, and the term is pretty specific and personal, how much longer will it take to build a collective consensus on the overall benefit of &#8220;green&#8221;?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: steve</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/green-is-dead-long-live-green/comment-page-1/#comment-14928</link> <dc:creator>steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:30:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=9475#comment-14928</guid> <description>how about &quot;thrivable&quot; as a post green, post sustainable term?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about &#8220;thrivable&#8221; as a post green, post sustainable term?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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