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> <channel><title>Comments on: Seattle To Vote On Plastic Bag Tax</title> <atom:link href="http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/</link> <description>Business, Better. Since 2005</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:15:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Meghan Porter</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-15442</link> <dc:creator>Meghan Porter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:19:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=10144#comment-15442</guid> <description>I love the idea of charging 20 cents per plastic bag. It will really encourage people to re-use and bring in their own bags. Right now, stores are encouraging people to bring in their own bags by entering them into raffles and giving small discounts, but I think this plan will have the most significant impact. Have you considered creating a http://bit.ly/4bybHr poll to get your reader&#039;s opinions? I find them helpful and fun for voting too!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of charging 20 cents per plastic bag. It will really encourage people to re-use and bring in their own bags. Right now, stores are encouraging people to bring in their own bags by entering them into raffles and giving small discounts, but I think this plan will have the most significant impact. Have you considered creating a <a
href="http://bit.ly/4bybHr" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4bybHr</a> poll to get your reader&#8217;s opinions? I find them helpful and fun for voting too!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeffro</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-15393</link> <dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=10144#comment-15393</guid> <description>Ah yes... But from that same website... Did you know plastic bags can take 1,000 years to decompose whereas paper bags take about a month to decompose? The debate over whether plastic or paper bags are better for the environment has a long history and is often rekindled each time we check out at the grocery store when we hear that familiar question: paper or plastic?Plastic was the mantra word in the late seventies and as such had billions of $$$ poured into its&#039; technology.  If paper were to be the &quot;new&quot; thing, billions of $$$ would be poured into making it more affordable, less polluting, and more resource friendly.Reusable bags are indeed a good alternative, but they have their set of drawbacks also. Depending on the material, they can rot, mold, or deteriorate rapidly. They require washing and/or maintenance which requires energy also.  Convenience is low due to storage and &quot;take-along&quot; requirements. Once used to their limit, were back to trash/recycle questions.Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not advocating paper or reusable necessarily. My personal preference would be hemp bags in either reusable or disposable formats.  But we all know where that conversation leads to.Yeah, go ahead and &quot;inhale&quot; hemp Senator... see what that does for you.  I&#039;ll be waiting with the Aleve when you&#039;re ready!And still... My main concern is the taxation that will be relied upon by government. The tax idea is a &quot;long term revenue-negative&quot;(my term) program that will only require an increase in tax for every decrease in use of plastic bags. Then, at some point, we are literally paying a tax on something that no longer is an issue.And this issue is clouded over in the argument about which material is better so that we lose focus of the taxation and let it go to our children and their children. I am really trying to make this a better place for them and why I comment on both fronts here.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes&#8230; But from that same website&#8230; Did you know plastic bags can take 1,000 years to decompose whereas paper bags take about a month to decompose? The debate over whether plastic or paper bags are better for the environment has a long history and is often rekindled each time we check out at the grocery store when we hear that familiar question: paper or plastic?</p><p>Plastic was the mantra word in the late seventies and as such had billions of $$$ poured into its&#8217; technology.  If paper were to be the &#8220;new&#8221; thing, billions of $$$ would be poured into making it more affordable, less polluting, and more resource friendly.</p><p>Reusable bags are indeed a good alternative, but they have their set of drawbacks also. Depending on the material, they can rot, mold, or deteriorate rapidly. They require washing and/or maintenance which requires energy also.  Convenience is low due to storage and &#8220;take-along&#8221; requirements. Once used to their limit, were back to trash/recycle questions.</p><p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not advocating paper or reusable necessarily. My personal preference would be hemp bags in either reusable or disposable formats.  But we all know where that conversation leads to.</p><p>Yeah, go ahead and &#8220;inhale&#8221; hemp Senator&#8230; see what that does for you.  I&#8217;ll be waiting with the Aleve when you&#8217;re ready!</p><p>And still&#8230; My main concern is the taxation that will be relied upon by government. The tax idea is a &#8220;long term revenue-negative&#8221;(my term) program that will only require an increase in tax for every decrease in use of plastic bags. Then, at some point, we are literally paying a tax on something that no longer is an issue.</p><p>And this issue is clouded over in the argument about which material is better so that we lose focus of the taxation and let it go to our children and their children. I am really trying to make this a better place for them and why I comment on both fronts here.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Weekly Link Round-Up: 08/14/09</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-15390</link> <dc:creator>Weekly Link Round-Up: 08/14/09</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:58:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=10144#comment-15390</guid> <description>[...] The bag tax battle continues to rage in Seattle, where it is put to a vote. [Triple Pundit] [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The bag tax battle continues to rage in Seattle, where it is put to a vote. [Triple Pundit] [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gina-Marie Cheeseman</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-15341</link> <dc:creator>Gina-Marie Cheeseman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:39:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=10144#comment-15341</guid> <description>Actually, paper bags are not environmentally friendly either. According to Don&#039;t Trash Nevada (http://www.donttrashnevada.org/facts_figures.htm):--Paper sacks generate 70 percent more air and 50 times more water pollutants than plastic bags.
--It takes more than four times as much energy to manufacture a paper bag as it does to manufacture a plastic bag. Energy to produce the bags (in British thermal units): plastic bags: 594 BTU; paper bags: 2511 BTU.
--Current research demonstrates that paper in today&#039;s landfills does not degrade or break down at a substantially faster rate than plastic does. ---In fact, nothing completely degrades in modern landfills due to the lack of water, light, oxygen, and other important elements that are necessary for the degradation process to be completed.I was told years ago by a friend who worked for a pest control company that cock roaches like to lay their eggs in paper bags. I discovered the hard way it is true.Of course the problem with plastic bags is trash cans. What bags are the most environmentally friendly ones on the market that we can line our trash cans with?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, paper bags are not environmentally friendly either. According to Don&#8217;t Trash Nevada (<a
href="http://www.donttrashnevada.org/facts_figures.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.donttrashnevada.org/facts_figures.htm</a>):</p><p>&#8211;Paper sacks generate 70 percent more air and 50 times more water pollutants than plastic bags.<br
/> &#8211;It takes more than four times as much energy to manufacture a paper bag as it does to manufacture a plastic bag. Energy to produce the bags (in British thermal units): plastic bags: 594 BTU; paper bags: 2511 BTU.<br
/> &#8211;Current research demonstrates that paper in today&#8217;s landfills does not degrade or break down at a substantially faster rate than plastic does. &#8212;In fact, nothing completely degrades in modern landfills due to the lack of water, light, oxygen, and other important elements that are necessary for the degradation process to be completed.</p><p>I was told years ago by a friend who worked for a pest control company that cock roaches like to lay their eggs in paper bags. I discovered the hard way it is true.</p><p>Of course the problem with plastic bags is trash cans. What bags are the most environmentally friendly ones on the market that we can line our trash cans with?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nick Aster</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-15340</link> <dc:creator>Nick Aster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:37:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=10144#comment-15340</guid> <description>Interesting. I have to admit I didn&#039;t even know the ban had gone into effect.  Most of the stores I go to still offer plastic bags by default. I bring a re-usable 95% of the time so didn&#039;t really think about it the last time I was at a major store.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I have to admit I didn&#8217;t even know the ban had gone into effect.  Most of the stores I go to still offer plastic bags by default. I bring a re-usable 95% of the time so didn&#8217;t really think about it the last time I was at a major store.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeffro</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-15331</link> <dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:01:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=10144#comment-15331</guid> <description>Regarding Ireland: Of course the store founder has &#039;become a big, big enthusiast&#039;, his bag purchasing requirements went down 94%.  That&#039;s money going directly back into the bottom line.What didn&#039;t get noticed there is why they had to RAISE the tax. Usage went DOWN as expected per &quot;environmental externality&quot; root reasoning for the tax. That means revenue followed suite and they had to make up for that shortfall.So... The more &quot;Greenies&quot; get their way, the more it will cost on a never ending, ever inflating, tax on something we no longer use!! Go figure...Anybody remember brown paper bags? All you have to do is ask for them. Ocean, landfill, stream damage mitigated. Root cause solved. All with a renewable resource made from Mother Nature herself.Someone will figure out how to tax her next.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Ireland: Of course the store founder has &#8216;become a big, big enthusiast&#8217;, his bag purchasing requirements went down 94%.  That&#8217;s money going directly back into the bottom line.</p><p>What didn&#8217;t get noticed there is why they had to RAISE the tax. Usage went DOWN as expected per &#8220;environmental externality&#8221; root reasoning for the tax. That means revenue followed suite and they had to make up for that shortfall.</p><p>So&#8230; The more &#8220;Greenies&#8221; get their way, the more it will cost on a never ending, ever inflating, tax on something we no longer use!! Go figure&#8230;</p><p>Anybody remember brown paper bags? All you have to do is ask for them. Ocean, landfill, stream damage mitigated. Root cause solved. All with a renewable resource made from Mother Nature herself.</p><p>Someone will figure out how to tax her next.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Green toe</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-15283</link> <dc:creator>Green toe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:50:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=10144#comment-15283</guid> <description>Here is one of several studies about the lack of impact from the SF bag ban.  It was conducted by the activist group Use-Less-Stuff.http://use-less-stuff.com/Field-Report-on-San-Francisco-Plastic-Bag-Ban.pdfNot sure if I have ever seen a report documenting litter rates but the City has been very hush about any improvements in clean up costs or other goals such as reducing downtime at MRF.Basically for every ban passed to date not city has produced a progress report.Only independent activists such as ULS have actually taken that on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is one of several studies about the lack of impact from the SF bag ban.  It was conducted by the activist group Use-Less-Stuff.</p><p><a
href="http://use-less-stuff.com/Field-Report-on-San-Francisco-Plastic-Bag-Ban.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://use-less-stuff.com/Field-Report-on-San-Francisco-Plastic-Bag-Ban.pdf</a></p><p>Not sure if I have ever seen a report documenting litter rates but the City has been very hush about any improvements in clean up costs or other goals such as reducing downtime at MRF.</p><p>Basically for every ban passed to date not city has produced a progress report.</p><p>Only independent activists such as ULS have actually taken that on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nick Aster</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/08/seattle-to-vote-on-plastic-bag-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-15282</link> <dc:creator>Nick Aster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:47:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=10144#comment-15282</guid> <description>Do you have a source that shows that plastic bag litter is up in San Francisco?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a source that shows that plastic bag litter is up in San Francisco?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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