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> <channel><title>Comments on: Paul Hawken on the State of the Markets</title> <atom:link href="http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/11/paul-hawken-on-the-state-of-the-markets/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/11/paul-hawken-on-the-state-of-the-markets/</link> <description>Business, Better. Since 2005</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:15:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Tim Worstall</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/11/paul-hawken-on-the-state-of-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-20940</link> <dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=19474#comment-20940</guid> <description>&quot;To those that argue the efficient market hypothesis, based on Adam Smith’s theory that the ‘invisible hand’ of the markets will right our course and get us on a path to clean energy, Hawken responded that not only has this not occurred, but that the theories of the free market are even arguable at best.&quot;It&#039;s rare to see quite so much economic nonsense and ignorance on display in just one sentence outside a Noam Chomsky book.The EMH is not based on Smith&#039;s invisible hand: and Smith didn&#039;t argue that markets were an invisible hand anyway. What he actually said was that people are led to employ their capital close to home rather than abroad &quot;as if led by an invisible hand&quot;. And the EMH does&#039;t refer to any of this at all: it simply says that in a market prices will reflect the information available about what prices should be. That really is it: it&#039;s not about markets being efficient in allocation, not about their being efficient in distribution, it&#039;s purely about their efficiency in processing information.Which is why Hawken&#039;s point is silly as well: we all know when markets do not work well in processing information (indeed in distribution or allocation): when there are externalities. That is, things which are outside the information purview of the markets. In this example, the costs of CO2 pollution are not encapsulated in market prices and thus they don&#039;t influence them. Which is why we&#039;re all running around thinking cap and trade or carbon tax so that they do: and thus market prices will be affected.Jeebus, if people are going to write about the economics of climate change you&#039;d think they&#039;d try and bone up a little on economics, wouldn&#039;t you?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To those that argue the efficient market hypothesis, based on Adam Smith’s theory that the ‘invisible hand’ of the markets will right our course and get us on a path to clean energy, Hawken responded that not only has this not occurred, but that the theories of the free market are even arguable at best.&#8221;</p><p>It&#8217;s rare to see quite so much economic nonsense and ignorance on display in just one sentence outside a Noam Chomsky book.</p><p>The EMH is not based on Smith&#8217;s invisible hand: and Smith didn&#8217;t argue that markets were an invisible hand anyway. What he actually said was that people are led to employ their capital close to home rather than abroad &#8220;as if led by an invisible hand&#8221;. And the EMH does&#8217;t refer to any of this at all: it simply says that in a market prices will reflect the information available about what prices should be. That really is it: it&#8217;s not about markets being efficient in allocation, not about their being efficient in distribution, it&#8217;s purely about their efficiency in processing information.</p><p>Which is why Hawken&#8217;s point is silly as well: we all know when markets do not work well in processing information (indeed in distribution or allocation): when there are externalities. That is, things which are outside the information purview of the markets. In this example, the costs of CO2 pollution are not encapsulated in market prices and thus they don&#8217;t influence them. Which is why we&#8217;re all running around thinking cap and trade or carbon tax so that they do: and thus market prices will be affected.</p><p>Jeebus, if people are going to write about the economics of climate change you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d try and bone up a little on economics, wouldn&#8217;t you?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Connor</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/11/paul-hawken-on-the-state-of-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-20892</link> <dc:creator>David Connor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:46:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=19474#comment-20892</guid> <description>A truly thought provoking article and a timely reminder to renergise our efforts to push our own national representatives to be bold at Copenhagen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A truly thought provoking article and a timely reminder to renergise our efforts to push our own national representatives to be bold at Copenhagen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Affecting Behavior Change in the Slow Adopters of Sustainability : Red, Green, and Blue</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/11/paul-hawken-on-the-state-of-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-20870</link> <dc:creator>Affecting Behavior Change in the Slow Adopters of Sustainability : Red, Green, and Blue</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:55:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=19474#comment-20870</guid> <description>[...] yesterday&#8217;s Sustainable Industries Economic Forum, keynote speaker Paul Hawken discussed the political will it would take to avert global catastrophe. An underlying elephant in the room, [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] yesterday&#8217;s Sustainable Industries Economic Forum, keynote speaker Paul Hawken discussed the political will it would take to avert global catastrophe. An underlying elephant in the room, [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Best Counterargument to Price on Carbon Hurting Jobs? : CleanTechnica</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/11/paul-hawken-on-the-state-of-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-20869</link> <dc:creator>Best Counterargument to Price on Carbon Hurting Jobs? : CleanTechnica</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:51:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=19474#comment-20869</guid> <description>[...] yesterday&#8217;s Sustainable Industries Economic Forum, keynote presenter Paul Hawken was asked, &#8220;What is the best counterargument to the argument that carbon caps will raise [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] yesterday&#8217;s Sustainable Industries Economic Forum, keynote presenter Paul Hawken was asked, &#8220;What is the best counterargument to the argument that carbon caps will raise [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Hawken on Being a &#8216;Doomer&#8217; : CleanTechnica</title><link>http://www.triplepundit.com/2009/11/paul-hawken-on-the-state-of-the-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-20868</link> <dc:creator>Paul Hawken on Being a &#8216;Doomer&#8217; : CleanTechnica</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:35:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.triplepundit.com/?p=19474#comment-20868</guid> <description>[...] yesterday&#8217;s Sustainable Industries Economic Forum, keynote speaker Paul Hawken suggested that it will take a somewhat monumental effort to get back to 350 ppm in our atmosphere [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] yesterday&#8217;s Sustainable Industries Economic Forum, keynote speaker Paul Hawken suggested that it will take a somewhat monumental effort to get back to 350 ppm in our atmosphere [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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